Track Driver Training - Wednesday 15th September

[Hongkongfooi]

After last nights exploits I feel a need to improve my track driving and apart from CJ yesterday has anybody had any guidance to recommend and where?

I have heard of these people with a good reputation and they do group stuff...i see the MLR take part

http://www.catdrivertraining.co.uk/i...-a-forums.html

Might be a good day out!?

[Moley_WRX]

www.track-masters.co.uk can organise these days for the club, and normally have them at North Weald (so not too far)

[Anger]

I'll be up for one of these

[SpecB]

Could be fun!

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

After last nights exploits I feel a need to improve my track driving?

Mate you realy should not take it to heart that I passed you.


Sounds like fun, having some tuition.

I would be right up for a bit of this.

[Scooby Si]

What's the noise limit??

103

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

Mate you realy should not take it to heart that I passed you.


Sounds like fun, having some tuition.

Take it to heart...course not


I will look into it then...

[Steve_PPP]

i'd also be interested

Yes please as i'm having a hard time with the Evo

[Skullfudge]

Good choice Gary.

Trackmasters days (I reckon) take some beating.
Mike & Son Anthony are dead easy guys to get on with.(Mike drove F1 in the early 70's).

I was about to start a time trial in the P1 when it was running at about 400, (on the start line) when all of a sudden my passenger door flew open. Mike jumped in, slapped me on my back & whilst putting his crash hat on said "right oh Clive, show me what you can do". I said to him " do you a deal. I'll show you, then you show me in this car".
We shook hands & he beat me by exactly one second Top Fella

[Moley_WRX]

Mike is an awesome driver, and a fantastic instructor.

This is Mike @ a very wet Brands in Feb this year (when Clive, Granby and me were there) in a 400bhp GT3

Thats great

Whats funny is the passengers breath. Because it's cold you can see the exhale, you have a look at how quickly he is breathing

Tim, this is a great idea and I think there will be a good take up on this.

[Hongkongfooi]

I've sent an email to trackmasters asking for availability/costs etc, I am thinking that the earliest for this might be august september for cost/time as school holidays for some and that cost and our ring trip costing a few ££'s. Hopefully they can suggest a saturday. I await there response!

[Steve_PPP]

nice work

August time would be good

[Skullfudge]

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

I've sent an email to trackmasters asking for availability/costs etc, I am thinking that the earliest for this might be august september for cost/time as school holidays for some and that cost and our ring trip costing a few ££'s. Hopefully they can suggest a saturday. I await there response!

Try this link

http://www.trackdays.co.uk/calendar/cars/

[Skullfudge]

I have been on several different days with Trackmaster's and it's not just track days they cover.

I would strongly suggest there Advanced Race Driving Days.

Typical day:

ARRIVAL:
Normally on an RAF base on HUGE tarmac/concrete aprons / areas.
Arrive at 8.00 - Briefing.
Choose lunch from menu.


MORNING:
All morning will be spent driving around a huge course (2000 - 3000 Mts) long made up of cones & will consist of short/long straights, tight & fast bends etc.

You & Instructor will drive your car & learn things like:-

Heel / Toe.
Left foot braking techniques,
Use of brakes whilst remaining on power,
Controlling & sorting out over & under steer situations
Etc


LUNCH:
Off to the RAF canteen to eat the lunch your chose when arriving.


AFTERNOON: (the best bit)
Normally 5 runs each basically driving the same course as fast as humanly possible against the clock. Small trophies at end of day.


As well as the aforementioned they have a separate area with a couple of cones where anyone can practice tight corner control, power sliding etc.


Guy's these days are SO MUCH fun. Awesome day out & you will drive home knowing an awful lot more about car control.

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Skullfudge

I have been on several different days with Trackmaster's and it's not just track days they cover.

I would strongly suggest there Advanced Race Driving Days.

Typical day:

ARRIVAL:
Normally on an RAF base on HUGE tarmac/concrete aprons / areas.
Arrive at 8.00 - Briefing.
Choose lunch from menu.


MORNING:
All morning will be spent driving around a huge course (2000 - 3000 Mts) long made up of cones & will consist of short/long straights, tight & fast bends etc.

You & Instructor will drive your car & learn things like:-

Heel / Toe.
Left foot braking techniques,
Use of brakes whilst remaining on power,
Controlling & sorting out over & under steer situations
Etc


LUNCH:
Off to the RAF canteen to eat the lunch your chose when arriving.


AFTERNOON: (the best bit)
Normally 5 runs each basically driving the same course as fast as humanly possible against the clock. Small trophies at end of day.


As well as the aforementioned they have a separate area with a couple of cones where anyone can practice tight corner control, power sliding etc.


Guy's these days are SO MUCH fun. Awesome day out & you will drive home knowing an awful lot more about car control.

sounds good

Yep, I'm right up for a drop of this

[belliott]

same here, well up for some lessons.

[Moley_WRX]

Have done 2 of their driver training days.

Great fun, learn a lot about the limits of the car (and yourself) and the afternoon 'sprint' sessions are brilliant.

[Moley_WRX]

This is from the last one i went to.....

http://www.youtube.com/user/c11umw

Mate , that is cool

I must have a bit of that

[C. J.]

Was at ford aerodrome which is concrete and riped the tyres to pieces .
If i go on one its got to be on tarmac

[Moley_WRX]

They don't do it at Ford anymore, the locals complained about the noise.

I think they do them at North Weald now (tarmac rather than concrete)

[Skullfudge]

Yep Weald is correct Gary

I will take a set of spares I think.

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by worzel

I will take a set of spares I think.

Take your back seat out and a set will fit securley in the back & evenly balance the weight

Originally Posted by C. J.

Take your back seat out and a set will fit securley in the back & evenly balance the weight

Will do mate, thanks for the tip

[N47han_Hammonds]

I wish I had a Scooby....

You could always.................... erm....................... borrow one

[Skullfudge]

Originally Posted by N47han_Hammonds

I wish I had a Scooby....

If you want one hard enough, you will have Scooby one day

[N47han_Hammonds]

the only real reason I havent is current car, is a rocket in many ways but gives me nearly 30mpg, living 18miles away from work, with a 40mile round trip its only the go go juice thats holding me back!!


"You could always.................... erm....................... borrow one "

I do like yours Steve!

[Jolly Green Monster]

Have interest

Originally Posted by N47han_Hammonds

I wish I had a EVO....

Thats more like it

Originally Posted by N47han_Hammonds

I do like yours Steve!

I think you might have to fight Moley off first

[WRX_Paul]

Originally Posted by N47han_Hammonds

the only real reason I havent is current car, is a rocket in many ways but gives me nearly 30mpg, living 18miles away from work, with a 40mile round trip its only the go go juice thats holding me back!!


"You could always.................... erm....................... borrow one "

I do like yours Steve!

Dont let the petrol put you off, I do 49 mile round trip to work every day in mine, i have done 34k since August 07 in mine, it is worth it!! I get about 280
miles to a tank.

Thats very true Paul.

They are in the end as Juicy as you want to make them really. The more you do / add, the jucier they get.

[Skullfudge]

As I am sure others will tell you, there are many unseen benefits to Driver Training days and it's not until you have taken part that you realise certain things such like:-


The full potential of a standard Impreza.
The gains of modified brakes.
The advantages of modified suspension.
Tyre choice.


Also a safe way (& often the first time) of experiencing issues such as:-

The feel of weight transfer due to high speed cornering.
Your cars reaction to braking hard at high speeds.
The limits of your brakes (which often isn't as good as you would imagine)!
Finding optimum rpm for up/down shifting.


Finally, as Gary (Morley WRX) mentioned you learn a lot about yourself. If most guys were honest you soon find out that you are know where near as good as you thought you were, which suggests that these courses work.

I have done bits & pieces of low key motor sport including National Karts, A Lister Jag in the Supercar Challenge run by the Lamborghini Owners Club, Navigating in Clubman level rally events and a few other bits, and I still find Training days good fun as I am still learning.

Still learning the P1 at moment too .
562 Bhp/1290 Kg's is a bit of a friggen handful to be honest (Jolly Green & such guys will know what I am talking about).
Under hard acceleration & hard braking the car feels soooooo light ! and steer correction requires rapid reflexes.
The VERY WET Brands track day that many SES guys attended was my first
time out with 562 in the wet.
From Surtees & into Clearways at the pit entry point I was on the floor in 3rd, into 4th over the brow & I had traction issues in both gears. Steer correction was about every 10th of a sec to keep it looking straight and although brilliant fun I also realised that the chances of smashing the car to bits was really high, which was not an option, so I called it a day at 2.30.

With Project 2 hopefully finished end of 2010 I am now wondering if 650 Bhp in a car that weighs nothing is a sensible idea?

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by Skullfudge

As I am sure others will tell you, there are many unseen benefits to Driver Training days and it's not until you have taken part that you realise certain things such like:-


The full potential of a standard Impreza.
The gains of modified brakes.
The advantages of modified suspension.
Tyre choice.


Also a safe way (& often the first time) of experiencing issues such as:-

The feel of weight transfer due to high speed cornering.
Your cars reaction to braking hard at high speeds.
The limits of your brakes (which often isn't as good as you would imagine)!
Finding optimum rpm for up/down shifting.


Finally, as Gary (Morley WRX) mentioned you learn a lot about yourself. If most guys were honest you soon find out that you are know where near as good as you thought you were, which suggests that these courses work.

I have done bits & pieces of low key motor sport including National Karts, A Lister Jag in the Supercar Challenge run by the Lamborghini Owners Club, Navigating in Clubman level rally events and a few other bits, and I still find Training days good fun as I am still learning.

Still learning the P1 at moment too .
562 Bhp/1290 Kg's is a bit of a friggen handful to be honest (Jolly Green & such guys will know what I am talking about).
Under hard acceleration & hard braking the car feels soooooo light ! and steer correction requires rapid reflexes.
The VERY WET Brands track day that many SES guys attended was my first
time out with 562 in the wet.
From Surtees & into Clearways at the pit entry point I was on the floor in 3rd, into 4th over the brow & I had traction issues in both gears. Steer correction was about every 10th of a sec to keep it looking straight and although brilliant fun I also realised that the chances of smashing the car to bits was really high, which was not an option, so I called it a day at 2.30.

With Project 2 hopefully finished end of 2010 I am now wondering if 650 Bhp in a car that weighs nothing is a sensible idea?

Of course it will...be fun finding out!

[chris1977]

date depending i could be up for this

[Anger]

Originally Posted by chris1977

date depending i could be up for this

You better pull your finger out and get that scoob sorted them

[Hongkongfooi]

I have sent a few emails but no response yet! I am away in cornwall this week so will monitor my mail from afar!

[jay]

This is from the last one i went to.....

http://www.youtube.com/user/c11umw




This vid is top banana!!! Wish i could do that!!!......never enough room down the industial estate to try!!

[Moley_WRX]

Callum is a VERY good driver

[Hongkongfooi]

had this back today.....sounds good but the date might be too soon for many? (I know I am in the lake district anyway!)

If anyone would like to suggest a weekend or suitable date I will get back to them!


Tim

Thanks for your email and voice mail ref driver training first bit of news is that our next driver training event on the 20th June at North Weald cost £149.00
Our Driver training is airfield based and focus's on the basics and what you the driver wants.
Format which is a guide only

Time
Groups
Activities
8.30am

Sign on and briefing
9.00-10.30
Group 1
Slalom & driver assessment

Group 2
Slalom & driver assessment
10.30-11.30
Group 1
Heel & Toe and Rotational Steering

Group 2
Heel & Toe and Rotational Steering
11.30-12.30
Group 1
Fast Corner & skid control (entry Positioning, Braking, Power and exit)

Group 2
Fast Corner & skid control (entry positioning, braking, Power and exit)
12:00 to 13:00
Both Groups
LUNCH
13.00-14.00
Both Groups
Sprint circuit Demo & practice
14.00-16.00
Both Groups
Sprint Circuit-timed laps
16.00-16.15
Both Groups
De-brief

Our instructors are Mike Wilds, Antony Wilds and Mark Ahlin all very experianced instructors so if you have specifics you want to
iron out those guys can help
We run a max of 12 cars split into two groups with two car exercising in seperate areas up until we run the sprint were you can run with instructors or alone, its your choice.
The days are targetted to be fun and relaxed
Should you not be able to make our event for the day advertised, happy to look at alternatives for you or even see what other organisers can offer should there be a need.
Regards
Mark s

Mark Stevens

07789 938011

Track days & Driver Training Days Run for Enthusiasts by Enthusiasts

www.track-masters.co.uk

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Thats all coming together nicely Tim.

I would look for a later date for sure though, world cup and all that!

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by worzel

Thats all coming together nicely Tim.

I would look for a later date for sure though, world cup and all that!

Exactly!

[Steve_PPP]

Sometime in July or August would be excellent

[Hongkongfooi]

i've asked them to nominate a couple of dates rather as I am sure its easier for them to know when they can set it up in hindsight!

[Jolly Green Monster]

weekday would suit me but not everyone else (at a guess)

[Moley_WRX]

Weekday is good with me

And me too

[Jolly Green Monster]

cool.. Mike and Antony Wild are very good.. so keen to do this..

[Steve_PPP]

sure i could manage a weekday as well

[SpecB]

I'd be up for this too if I can make that that is!

Yes Please

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Sometime in July or August would be excellent

[Jolly Green Monster]

We best g this along a bit?
stick name below if def interested.

Weekday
1. Jgm


Weekend
1.

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel


Weekend
1.

[Steve_PPP]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP

Weekend
1.

[C. J.]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.

Weekend
1.

[SpecB]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)

Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)

[Hongkongfooi]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi

Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi


I think we are aiming for a weekday on the above basis if they can accomodate us, unfortunately the Trackmaster guys are being very slow in their replies to me....will keep trying though!

Top banana

[Jolly Green Monster]

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi

Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi


I think we are aiming for a weekday on the above basis if they can accomodate us, unfortunately the Trackmaster guys are being very slow in their replies to me....will keep trying though!

I know Terry and Mark at Trackmasters, I'll ring them to try and speed up response time

Simon

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi
7. Nige
Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi

[BIG"E"]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi
7. Nige
Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi
3. BIG"E"

[Hongkongfooi]

Just spoke to Mark of Trackmasters and he is looking to get back to me regarding dates next week....its seems that North Weald doesn't have a db maximum for you anti lag whores!


Add you name if you are interested please!!

[Anger]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi
7. Nige
8. Anger

Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi
3. BIG"E"
4. Anger

[Jolly Green Monster]

ace

[kartingsteve]

Weekday
1. Jgm
2. Worzel
3. Steve_PPP
4. C. J.
5. BlueBugEye (if school holidays)
6.Hongkongfooi
7. Nige
8. Anger
9. kartingsteve

Weekend
1. BlueBugEye (if not school holidays)
2. Hongkongfooi
3. BIG"E"
4. Anger

[Hongkongfooi]

Had message left by trackmasters that they can't help because we are wanting a weekday.
He has given me http://www.carlimits.com/ to try ...same venue and they have done a weekday so leave it with me!

Cool

[Hongkongfooi]

Okay

I have had a long converstaion with these guys and have set a potential date as wednesday 18th AUGUST at North Weald airfield.

The cost is £946 for the day which includes two instructors.

I have discussed many an option with them and the ceiling for numbers is really ten (£95 per person)
The day would be tailored to our own but fits somewhere between the airfield driving tuition and the corporate link on their website.
Food is either self provide or their is a burger van or canteen on the airfield.

There is no DB limit and once I have the right numbers then I will book it and take your money which needs to be with them 28 days before the event...

They will teach you the limits of your car and what to do when it happens. This includes a coned course and a high speed section.
http://www.carlimits.com/script/view...php?venueKey=1 (guide to the day)

If the number drops to 8 then the price goes up slightly.


Can I have definate numbers for this date if it suits everyone?

1 Hongkongfooi

1 Hongkongfooi
2 Worzel

[C. J.]

1 Hongkongfooi
2 Worzel
3 CJ

[SpecB]

1 Hongkongfooi
2 Worzel
3 CJ
4 BlueBugEye (not sure if I'll have mine back on the road by then but will take the sport if needed)

[Hongkongfooi]

Come on people that showed an interest......if we don't get the numbers then it won't happen in August when you'd think the weather might be ok!


BUMP!

[Jolly Green Monster]

Bollox, I travel home from my holiday that day damn. 19th I can do 18th cant

[C. J.]

Just looked at calander cant do either on holiday till the 29th august

[C. J.]

1 Hongkongfooi
2 Worzel
3 BlueBugEye (not sure if I'll have mine back on the road by then but will take the sport if needed)

[Hongkongfooi]

Nothing is booked at the moment so shall I look into a date in september???


How does that suit?

[Steve_PPP]

September may be better as most people should be back from holidays. Just remember the first weekend is JapBash

[C. J.]

Mid sept would be good

[Jolly Green Monster]

Should be great. Mapping in ireland for a week but not organised when yet so can work around this

[Hongkongfooi]

13th, 14th or 15th sept there are slots....i will aim for one of those

[Jolly Green Monster]

14th and 15th good with me

[Hongkongfooi]

15th september it is then,

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4

[Jolly Green Monster]

nice one

Count me in

15th september it is then,

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel

[Dave Beck]

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel
5. Dave Beck

[Hongkongfooi]

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel
5. Dave Beck
6. Anger

[Lucky]

mmmm... very tempted

[Lucky]

Oh Go on then!

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel
5. Dave Beck
6. Anger
7. Lucky

[Steve_PPP]

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel
5. Dave Beck
6. Anger
7. Lucky
8. Steve_PPP

[Hongkongfooi]

excellent news....we have the minimum number required! I will book that date and sort payment off you all in due course.

1. Hongkongfooi
2. JGM
3. CJ
4. Worzel
5. Dave Beck
6. Anger
7. Lucky
8. Steve_PPP
9. Mike (from the ring trip)

One space remaining possibly.

[Hongkongfooi]

all booked for the 15th spetember.....I will pay the lot 28days before that date if you could all save the readies to pay me come August please.


Looking forward to this already!

[C. J.]

How much will we owe you ?