Worzels SLaG

The Dyno figures below are the last two sessions, it shows how the power dropped off massively from 6000 - 6500 rpm before the new headers went on.

[BIG"E"]

Very impressive.

[666subaru]

Very nice stats, did not get to see it Saturday as you had left before we came out. Nice one Steve

[Lucky]

Very nice mate. Didn't realise that the bloke who did sweetcorn did mapping as well as the jolly green monster.

What a muppet I am, I was getting distracted horrifically when doing it earlier

[Lucky]

I know what its like mate. I do it all the time!. Nice long list of Roger clarke stuff there tho

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Luckyscoob

Didn't realise that the bloke who did sweetcorn did mapping as well as the jolly green monster.

lol, i read the whole thing and didn't even spot that

although i did notice the typo in Flywheel

All amends done!

[Hongkongfooi]

woweee Vanilla magic tree....wow! worth 10 brake from RCM?

Originally Posted by Hongkongphooey

woweee Vanilla magic tree....wow! worth 10 brake from RCM?

Not only more power i bet it cost x2 as much

Originally Posted by Hongkongphooey

woweee Vanilla magic tree....wow! worth 10 brake from RCM?

If only RCM did one!

I'm sure it would smell of "gobstopper" though.

[AndyWRX]

vanilla magic tree ftw lol

[Chunk]

Nice one mate. impressive spec

I've got a Vanilla magic tree in my Mercedes & a Black Ice in the scoob

[Scott.T]

Nice spec, power is stil dropping of bad though as peak power is still under 6000rpm.
Can you post up the other plots with boost and AFR.

Did Simon try anything with the AVCS to confirm it is working OK or check the cam timing was OK and not jumped a tooth.

I'm not suggesting Simon hasn't done his best, but just a thought.......

We found on Rob's Celica that the cam timing being slightly out made a huge difference to the top end power.
The previous owner fitted vernier pullies and had them set up by a so called specialist.
The lack of lumpy idle considering the cams that were fitted just didn't stack up and made us think.

Luckily the car came with standard pullies so Rob gave it to Vince to swap the verniers for the standards (it was cheaper to fit the standards then get the verniers fully timied up).
The car came alive after this and the idle was a little limpy, as expected due to the wilder cam profiles.

Your power just doesn't seem to match the Spec, especially considering Litchfields get 415BHP and probably run really safe due to the warranty.

[C. J.]

belt checked at the rollers

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

belt checked at the rollers

Fair enough...both ends though ? as one cover is easier to get of then the other.

Simon is also seeing 400BHP on his STi and I bet the spec isn't as high as 'The Slag'.

[C. J.]

removed both end casings and the centre one you can tell if its lined up by the two holes on the pulley .so no need to remove .
i beleive the resinator is a issue but as steve is going to try a K&N induction no need to remove
P.s. think simon knows his stuff as 464bhp from a t which is only a 450bhp turbo speaks volumes
And you to having had simon mapp your car a couple of years ago
And yes he is running 416 bhp with a mild mapp on his

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

removed both end casings and the centre one you can tell if its lined up by the two holes on the pulley .so no need to remove .
i beleive the resinator is a issue but as steve is going to try a K&N induction no need to remove
P.s. think simon knows his stuff as 464bhp from a t which is only a 450bhp turbo speaks volumes
And you to having had simon mapp your car a couple of years ago

Seems a shame the resonator wasn't just whipped out for the 10-15mins it would of taken.

[C. J.]

you would have to as the guy who speced it that one !

[Jolly Green Monster]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Fair enough...both ends though ? as one cover is easier to get of then the other.

Simon is also seeing 400BHP on his STi and I bet the spec isn't as high as 'The Slag'.

yes both ends, yes AVCS working...

same spec except stock motor, front mount and induction cone and simtek pretty much it

same headers, same turbo, similar injectors.

next time it is on the rollers will try the induction kit I have but I don't feel that an induction and tmic on this car will be a long term solution the 2.5 and that turbo need better cooling in the summer etc... also considering suggesting plugging a simtek in just to prove / disprove any issue elsewhere.

Simon

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

removed both end casings and the centre one you can tell if its lined up by the two holes on the pulley .so no need to remove .
i beleive the resinator is a issue but as steve is going to try a K&N induction no need to remove
P.s. think simon knows his stuff as 464bhp from a t which is only a 450bhp turbo speaks volumes
And you to having had simon mapp your car a couple of years ago
And yes he is running 416 bhp with a mild mapp on his

Not sure if this is a dig at me or not ? my post certainly wasn't a dig at Simon.
If you must know I recommended Simon and SRR to Worzel if he wanted to keep his ECUTEK License.
I don't give a .... who people go to for a map, even more so now due to reasons discussed in the staff room.

Simon mapped my car about 4 years ago (maybe longer then that), in our lunch hour, we worked at the same place,
He mapped, I drove.
He mapped it as he had the Dataloggit Apexi interface and I hadn't yet got to grips with the interface or spent the extra £200 for Dataloggit (it's a pain in the arse to map on the commander)
It was only a quick map to get it running safe as only had 1 hour for lunch.

The map then needed further timing adjustments due to spikes causing det, leaning out as was running below 10.5AFR at the top.
Not a problem as it was a quick and dirty map and I was quite capable of sorting myself.

I actually chipped Simons's JGM Wagon before Apexi's were the ECU of choice.
Simon later went Link after fitting a DIY intercooler, then Apexi and then Simtek, all self tought.

Simon then left where I work, for reasons I won't go into, and decided to have a stab at full time mapping...the rest is history.

I would of done the same in Simon's situation, and gained alot more mapping experience in the process (many cars can teach you many things, as they don't always do what you expect...like the slag).
However I continued in Engineering and have moved up the ladder there so we have both achieved and both managed to turn a hobby into a business.

Hat's off to Simon.....

[C. J.]

Have you the same problem as big E
I put a comment and you straight away think I 'm having a dig
Grow up scott

[Jolly Green Monster]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Not sure if this is a dig at me or not ? my post certainly wasn't a dig at Simon.
If you must know I recommended Simon and SRR to Worzel if he wanted to keep his ECUTEK License.
I don't give a .... who people go to for a map, even more so now due to reasons discussed in the staff room.

Simon mapped my car about 4 years ago (maybe longer then that), in our lunch hour, we worked at the same place,
He mapped, I drove.
He mapped it as he had the Dataloggit Apexi interface and I hadn't yet got to grips with the interface or spent the extra £200 for Dataloggit (it's a pain in the arse to map on the commander)
It was only a quick map to get it running safe as only had 1 hour for lunch.

The map then needed further timing adjustments due to spikes causing det, leaning out as was running below 10.5AFR at the top.
Not a problem as it was a quick and dirty map and I was quite capable of sorting myself.

I actually chipped Simons's JGM Wagon before Apexi's were the ECU of choice.
Simon later went Link after fitting a DIY intercooler, then Apexi and then Simtek, all self tought.

Simon then left where I work, for reasons I won't go into, and decided to have a stab at full time mapping...the rest is history.

I would of done the same in Simon's situation, and gained alot more mapping experience in the process (many cars can teach you many things, as they don't always do what you expect...like the slag).
However I continued in Engineering and have moved up the ladder there so we have both achieved and both managed to turn a hobby into a business.

Hat's off to Simon.....

not quite sure why you have decided to post about me personally Scott.. there are several inaccuraces and stuff missing but I cannot be arsed to correct you..

Simon

I for one have been watching the SLaG progress with a close eye, as its very interesting to see the effects of diferent mods, and how they effect diferent aspects of the SLaG power and torque.

I have to say as i have a new toy i have been looking at mapping and delimiting it.

But still need the scoob mapped as its running like a bag of poo, only to be expected as its not even mapped.

Was not able to get off work for the last mapping opertunity.

Need to come into some money too

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster

not quite sure why you have decided to post about me personally Scott.. there are several inaccuraces and stuff missing but I cannot be arsed to correct you..

Simon

You may be right Simon...it was a long time ago.
Just because we both map, some people think I have something against you.

Far from it...if I wanted a map using an ECU I wasn't familiar with or couldn't be arsed to spend the time learning, I would come to you.

You done a far better job in what must of been 1/2 an hour on the apexi then PE done on my ECUTEK in 2 sessions.

We are both part self tought, part tought through internet forums and part tought speaking to other mappers. Neither of us go out of our way to advertise, but both have a stream of people willing to use our services...which says alot.

We used to converse and bounce idea's around, but since your full time mapping took off, ECUTEK kicked in etc...this has subsided. I completley understand the reasons for this as you wish to protect your main revenue stream.

You probbaly left GD 3 years ago, so full time mapping for 3 years is always gonna be better then someone like myself and in fact alot better then a number of big tuners as you are soley mapping.

I have decided to stop mapping, as work at GD is a little different now, with more responsibilites and more travel around Europe. So less time with family.
I will soon be posting on the forum to this effect soon.

Any enquiries I get will be directed to JGM, as they always have been where I have been unable to support i.e ECUTEK Mapping a 99/00.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

Have you the same problem as big E
I put a comment and you straight away think I 'm having a dig
Grow up scott

So why did you post it then.....

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

So why did you post it then.....

Saying you know his mapping no more and no less !