Clocked car advice

[jayfold]

Hi all,

Just found out my pride and joy has about an extra 30k on the clocks and had infact done over 100k miles on it rather than the 70k it had on the clocks when i bought it 6 months ago.

The trader i bought it from says theres nothing he can do as there is a mileage disclaimer in the office and on the receipt of purchase i signed.

No wonder i have had the turbo fail and now the massive engine failure aswell. So thats about £4,500 down the pooper....smashing

Just wondered if anyone knows where i stand on this or has anyone seen anything like this before? Am i likely to get any money back

[asperformance]

how do you know its been "clocked"?? do you have a receipt and what does it say on it??
i have seen some people swap clocks on imports to "correct" the mileage from KM's to MPH although personally i dont agree with this!!

I wouldn't just put the Engine failure down to miles as the Scooby engine can rack up 100k with no probs. Has it had any mods? The disclaimer you signed, did you know what it was? You could also name the trader. Ask trading standards if this trader has been reported before. You never know mate just keep tying.

[jayfold]

No your right it could have had the clocks changed, its not an import but im just p?ssed off with all the problems i have had, it was mot'd in 2009 with 91000 on and then in 2010 with 70200 on, i know this as i have looked on motoinfo.com. Also just realised a load of the mots are missing from the history i got with the car, apart from the current one of course.

The receipt says that none of the mileages are guarenteed to be accurate so i think im knackered basically

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by jayfold

The receipt says that none of the mileages are guaranteed to be accurate so i think I'm knackered basically

Sorry to hear this Mate, I am no expert but it looks like you are up

'**** creek with out a paddle.'

It might be worth informing Trading Standards though.

[andy-m]

maybe speak to the dvla? i think its illegal to clock it like that. if past owners have filled out the mileage on the log book, the dvla will have records of this and may therfore know who did it

[jayfold]

Originally Posted by Nige

I wouldn't just put the Engine failure down to miles as the Scooby engine can rack up 100k with no probs. Has it had any mods? The disclaimer you signed, did you know what it was? You could also name the trader. Ask trading standards if this trader has been reported before. You never know mate just keep tying.

Yeah gonna keep trying, its had a few sensible mods nut nothing too major i think...just keeping my fingers crossed, need to win the lottery or somthing, lol

[scooberblue]

its not illegal to do mileage corrections its only illegal to do it if you intend to sell it on straight away afterwards. i had no history with my import apart from an old mot and a recipt for a supposedly recon lump wich went pop a year laiter and im building a brand new lump and replaced dash/loom ect so i got my digital clocks reset back to ooooooo and it cost £45 for someone to come out and re-set them. thats why all garages have that disclaimer as its so easilly done so he might not of even none.

[C. J.]

if your after an engine speak to dukeboy as he'll have one for sale this week .
p.s. sorry to hear your probs

[simonairheadz]

If you signed a disclaimer then that's it!
Contact trading standards if only to save someone else from cheats!
Allways worth a thorough inspection of the service history paperwork make a couple of calls then make a decision.
**** happens but it could have been so much worse.

[RobEvo5]

Check to see when the garage MOT'd it, if they changed the clocks in there possesion and then MOT'd it. I would see that as 'fraud with intent'.

If you can prove the garage changed the clocks and then MOT'd it. Have a word with them, and use words as above. They will then **** themselves if they have any sense and sort you out.!

But if you can't prove the MOT's and clocks were changed in the garages possesion you are fecked by the the disclaimer.

All I would add is.... 70K or 100K isn't that much difference TBH (Other than perceived resale value), a scoob will happily do big miles if its running right and serviced.

pps . Sorry to hear all your troubles, and no doubt you have some tough choices ahead. But plenty of folk and parts about that can help you in this process.! Good luck

[scooberblue]

to be honest the person who traded it in might of changed the clocks to get a better trade-in deal

[jayfold]

Hi all,

Spoke to trading standards and they think i have a case. I have have the old advert from auto trader which advertises the car as having done 70k, and i can say hand on my heart that that was around the mileage i was looking for on the car i wanted to buy. obviously i accept that the engine and turbo could have failed at lower or higher miles but i do feel he should have checked the mileage before before putting that in the advert and i would not of even went to birmingham to look at the car.

He told me on the day that it was a solid car that has belonged to his friend and had just been serviced etc, the car was up for 3,900 and when i made him an offer we agreed that there would be no 3 month warranty(doh) and he would sell for 3,600,

I had the turbo fail within 3 months and now i need to get a new engine or a rebuild and i would not have said a word, but when i found out it has inaccurate mileage and i was not warned of that i feel a bit cheated to be honest.

Yesterday the garage said they had done no wrong and that was that. Today he called and said he still thought they were in the right but would offer £260 compensation as a good will gesture. Trading standards have told me to write to him and say I should possibly get a refund minus usual wear in tear (6 months) or for him to replace my car with a like for like car. They say this is because the car was mis advertised and there fore i was mis sold the car. The point is that the advert said 70k miles, regardless of any disclaimer on the bottom of the sale receipt.

I went to a trader as i had limited knowledge with cars and this looked like a reputable garage to buy from who i could trust, when the turbo failed i accepted it and replaced it, when the engine died again i accepted it and was ready to scrap or break the car as i cant afford to borrow the money needed to repair it. it took me about 5 years of buying sheds to build up 4 grand to spend on a scooby and now ive probably lost the lot so im pretty f£$ked off.

Heres a line from their web site.... 'All of our pre-owned vehicles are prepared to the highest standards. They are only presented for sale when we are confident that they can meet the very high standards necessary to be on display'

Here the autotrader ad...

SUBARU Impreza Turbo 2000 4WD, 4 Doors, Manual, Saloon, Petrol, 2000 , 70,000 miles, Metallic Silver. Prodrive, 18 Alloy Wheels, 3 Month Warranty Parts And Labour, HPI clear, Stainless Exhaust System, Taxed and motd, Comes with full 12 month mot, Excellent condition inside and out, Remote central locking, Power assisted steering, Radio/CD, Spoiler, Spoirts exhaust system, Just serviced, Tracker Fitted, Rear electric windows, PAS, Steering wheel rake adjustment, Front fog lights, Front electric windows, Electric door mirrors, Drivers airbag, Body coloured bumpers, Alarm, ABS, Alloy wheels, Central locking, Headlight washers, Folding rear seats, Immobiliser, Passenger airbag, OTHER SIMILAR CARS IN STOCK, Stunning condition throughout, Radio/Cassette, Insurance Group:17, £3,990

The car was motd in 2009 with 91k and a year later with 70k???

you can go on motoinfo.co.uk and check all the old mots and see theres a problem in about 2 minutes. Surely he could of done that.

Maybe im going a bit ott, but buses and walking a really starting to give me the hump.....

Phew... i feel a bit a better after that, lol

[jayfold]

Originally Posted by RobEvo5

Check to see when the garage MOT'd it, if they changed the clocks in there possesion and then MOT'd it. I would see that as 'fraud with intent'.

If you can prove the garage changed the clocks and then MOT'd it. Have a word with them, and use words as above. They will then **** themselves if they have any sense and sort you out.!

But if you can't prove the MOT's and clocks were changed in the garages possesion you are fecked by the the disclaimer.

All I would add is.... 70K or 100K isn't that much difference TBH (Other than perceived resale value), a scoob will happily do big miles if its running right and serviced.

pps . Sorry to hear all your troubles, and no doubt you have some tough choices ahead. But plenty of folk and parts about that can help you in this process.! Good luck

Hi Rob,

The log book showed the last owner bought it in 2006, which the guy says is his mate, should the traders details be on the log book?

The mot history shows it was motd 13 days before i bought it and that is the first mot that shows a mileage discrepency. So who knows when the mileage changed...

[Scott.T]

Judging by the MOT's, either he changed the mileage or his mate did. If it was his mate it would be interesting to know if he still is...'A Mate'.

My guess would be tha itwas 91K in 2009, by the time the 2010 MOT cam round it was 100K+ hence the decision to knock a few mile off.

It reports HPI clear, don't HPI do a mileage check ??

https://www.hpicheck.com/marlin/nmrHelp.do

Mate keep on at the trader a little birdy tells me he will give up in the end. Its just a matter of him realizing your serious TS make traders shrink & empty there pockets quick time. Maybe even mention the local [to them] papers.

[Jolly Green Monster]

speedo is electronic? no doubt the trader has the kit to change it.. etc..

Simon

[RobEvo5]

Originally Posted by jayfold

Hi Rob,

The log book showed the last owner bought it in 2006, which the guy says is his mate, should the traders details be on the log book?

The mot history shows it was motd 13 days before i bought it and that is the first mot that shows a mileage discrepency. So who knows when the mileage changed...

The trader should have filled out the Yellow strip and given it to the seller to send off. If the seller did this then DVLA would have record of when the trader took possesion. You could then cross reference this against the MOT date. But from what you said its was MOT'd not long before you bought it. So its looking mighty like the Trader MOT'd it ready for sale.

Its unlikely someone looking to PX a car in at a garge will get it MOT'd just before doing so.

By the shear virtue that have come back with an offer sais allot to me.. Keep on at them until you are happy with whatever they offer.

p.s Not sure when you bought it, but you do realise you have 3 months warranty from a trader regardless of what they tell you. Its you legal right.!