Looking for a remap???

[dan1985]

Hi guys

Been looking on the forums and can't find an area about remappers.

Trying to find someone who can do a remap on my Hawkeye as had a decat fitted now and when giving it hard acceleration boost cuts out then back on when the sensor gets too hot

Most people/companies I speak to say they can't do Hawkeye as requires different softwares on earlier models????

Don't want to worry about dyno as just looking for a map to remove o2 sensor, add pops and bangs and maybe stage one.

Anyone know where I can go? Live in Hastings East Sussex and wanting to get this done as soon as.

Cheers

[Ginola]

There are a few around,

I use FB Tuning, but he is a bit a trek from Hastings, His number is in my signature below.


You should not be driving flat out after removing the Cats without getting the map looked at.

[SpecB]

Dave does FB do Syvecs? I've been trying to get hold of Duncan for a while now but since he doesn't reply to emails or voicemails, I'm going elsewhere.

[Banstead Stig]

Originally Posted by Ginola

You should not be driving flat out after removing the Cats without getting the map looked at.

Give your right foot a rest, otherwise you'll be spending out on a lot more than a remap!

People say the 2.5 is weak... can't help thinking that this sort of thing doesn't help!

[555_Si]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Dave does FB do Syvecs? I've been trying to get hold of Duncan for a while now but since he doesn't reply to emails or voicemails, I'm going elsewhere.

I think Richard will be soon, there have been some discussions.

[dan1985]

Yeah I knew it would need a remap but apparently the Hawkeye is a different cable so most don't have it. All booked in on tues now so all will be sorted. Thanks for the info though guys

[Banstead Stig]

Nice one. Definitely better safe than sorry, so best to do it sober rather than later.

[SpecB]

Who did you manage to get booked with?

[SpecB]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

Nice one. Definitely better safe than sorry, so best to do it sober rather than later.

Definitely better sober!

[Banstead Stig]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Definitely better sober!

I tell you what, this latest version of Google keyboard is absolute ****. How can you take something that worked and make it so much worse?!

It was spot on, now it's a liability!

[dan1985]

Lol I know what you mean with the crappy auto correct!!!! Anyway it's booked in with a company called auto solutions based in Hailsham. Their remap side is called Sussex ecu remapping. Out of all the ones I called he seemed the most knowledgable and competent guy so went with him, not the cheapest but not the most expensive

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by dan1985

Lol I know what you mean with the crappy auto correct!!!! Anyway it's booked in with a company called auto solutions based in Hailsham. Their remap side is called Sussex ecu remapping. Out of all the ones I called he seemed the most knowledgable and competent guy so went with him, not the cheapest but not the most expensive

Never heard of them. Been in Subaru's since 2000 and the club has been around for similar. I don't think anyone on here has used or heard of them.
I'd be interested to know how they sold their services to you.

[alfa male]

Be interested on your findings and results with them.

[555_Si]

i'd go with one of the more well know Subaru tuners that live map. FB Tuning or Duncan at Racedynamix. I wouldn't use a generic/all makes mapper.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by 555_Si

i'd go with one of the more well know Subaru tuners that live map. FB Tuning or Duncan at Racedynamix. I wouldn't use a generic/all makes mapper.

I was thinking it's likely to be a generic map squirter too.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by dan1985

Lol I know what you mean with the crappy auto correct!!!! Anyway it's booked in with a company called auto solutions based in Hailsham. Their remap side is called Sussex ecu remapping. Out of all the ones I called he seemed the most knowledgable and competent guy so went with him, not the cheapest but not the most expensive

I know this is probably not what you want to hear but if you've not parted with any cash yet, then i'd cancel. From the look of their website, they map anything and everything, so you're likely to be getting a generic map flashed onto you ECU.

Subaru specialists like RaceDynamix and FB Tuning will map the ECU parameters to your actual car. You'll end up with better performance and most likely a safer map from a reliability point of view. And if any issues arise in the mapping process, they're much more likely know what the problem is or whats holding you back as they know Subaru's inside out.

I would trust Scott T's opinion in this area, he used to run his own Subaru mapping business and has mapped cars on this forum that regularly get pushed to the limits on track

Up to you at the end of the day, but worth listening to advice of those who've been there, done that, if you like

[drakesnow]

I would also agree it is very important to go with a reputable Subaru mapper : ))

[dan1985]

He seemed to say all the things I was looking for, firstly he knew why most don't map a Hawkeye due to being a different cable which he has. He also said he doesn't just flash in a map of a laptop and send me on my way he does nearly an hour of data logging before sending the data to someone else at a booked in time to then modify the map requested for specific car parameters. New map is then received back put on car then more data logging, checking air fuel ratio etc, then data is sent back a second time to ensure its all running as planned. Then all is finished or if further tweets required they are done.

This is what I'm looking for, especially when there is no 4 wheel drive dyno near me.

[dan1985]

I'm only really looking for the o2 sensor to be removed. I'm not looking to gain loads of power out of the car yet, pointless until the mods are done I've got planned.

[Banstead Stig]

As my father, quite irritatingly, always says, "you pays your money, you takes your chance".

Personally, I'd rather travel and get a dyno print and the peace of mind that brings, but if that's not something you want to do, then you have to do what you think's right for you.

These guys don't sound like total chancers, so fingers crossed for you.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by dan1985

He seemed to say all the things I was looking for, firstly he knew why most don't map a Hawkeye due to being a different cable which he has. He also said he doesn't just flash in a map of a laptop and send me on my way he does nearly an hour of data logging before sending the data to someone else at a booked in time to then modify the map requested for specific car parameters. New map is then received back put on car then more data logging, checking air fuel ratio etc, then data is sent back a second time to ensure its all running as planned. Then all is finished or if further tweets required they are done.

This is what I'm looking for, especially when there is no 4 wheel drive dyno near me.

The hawkeye doesn't need a different cable. It's the same cable you use on a 2000 WRX.
The hawkeye is DBW but that doesn't affect the cable.
The 2008 onwards does need a different setup as it uses the Can bus.

So the guy flashing the ECU doesn't actually do the map adjustments !!!! and is just relaying basic information.
How is he going to log AFR as the pseudo wideband in a new age, that he will read off the OBD, only reads as low as 11.20AFR and it's not as accurate as a wideband mounted in the exhaust for mapping.

How will he check for detonation ?

How will he confirm a 4th/5th gear pull doesn't over boost, run too lean or detonate as it spools.
These things can take time to resolve and need very ballsy driving on the road.

Why are you removing the O2 sensor and which one front or rear ?

[dan1985]

I don't know how he's reading the afr I didn't ask him how. As I said I'm not wanting to have any power changes apart from what naturally comes from being decat. Just want the o2 sensor that's sitting in the exhaust at the moment deactivated so I don't have problems with the boost cut when it gets too hot.

When I've changed the turbo, injectors, fuel pump and inter cooler, the car will be going to someone who has a dyno and writes the map themselves, for that I'm obviously willing to travel and pay top money for as will be looking to push the car as far as it can go, which is not what I want done now.

I take on board what everyone has said and I appreciate the advice

[Scott.T]

You don't need to deactivate the O2. In fact you can't AFAIK.
You can disable it from generating an error code though, but that's not nesesary.

You will need to disable the CAT efficiency error code which will at some point come on after the decat due to rear O2 sensor and front O2 sensor discrepancies, due to no cat.

With the cat removed the TD04 on the 2.5 WRX will boost like a bastard and will need some heavy BCS duty adjustments to get it back under control.
The time and effort I would expend on getting a decatted car running right isn't far off the time spent on a car with injector and turbo changes.
The longest part of an mapping session is getting the boost under control all the while running safe fuelling and timing. Only then can you focus on fuelling and timing optimisation.

[555_Si]

my worry is the guy is basically logging, sucking the map off, email it to someone who knows what they are sort of doing, second guessing what it needs, then guy is uploading map and logging and then if not running vaguely right, having a second go.

I could upload and download maps and log with 30 mins of internet time to get the knowledge, this is how i learnt and have mapped several cars.

I am now moving on to learning to map subarus, something which takes a lot more time as Scott says. Many a Scooby goes in for mapping only to find existing problems, especially with boost controller and pipes air leaks etc.

I am sure the guys can put a map on, but i wouldn't want to pay too much as you really are getting a poor quality map in my opinion. These guys are probably good for mapping diesels and other cars, but Scoobies, Mitsubishis etc really do need some experienced knowledge to get them right.

We are as a community trying to look out for you, i am not sure what they are charging so obviously this needs to be factored in. Unfortunately the mapping industry is full of sharks and people trying to make a quick buck, i have seen one of my passat tdi maps been sold as a professional map, which i am far from. its only when someone asked me to look at their map i realised it was mine! god only knows how they got hold of it.

anyway, let us know how you get on, if you need any more advice feel free to ask, we are a friendly bunch, honest.

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by BlueBugEye

Dave does FB do Syvecs? I've been trying to get hold of Duncan for a while now but since he doesn't reply to emails or voicemails, I'm going elsewhere.

Spoke to him yesterday It's on the cards, he is flat out at the moment so don't know how far into the future it will be, this is something I'm quite interested in myself

Originally Posted by 555_Si

I have seen one of my passat tdi maps been sold as a professional map, which i am far from. its only when someone asked me to look at their map i realised it was mine! god only knows how they got hold of it.

Reminds me of a Mr Carbury talking to someone (who shall remain nameless) over on scabbynet having to ask him to take his name off of something he was selling as his own


To the OP, these kind of things are worth getting right first time, and spending a reasonable amount of money on. It's simply not worth making a £100 saving or more at all..,
The costs involved in getting it wrong don't really bare contemplating, a couple of clicks of bad det with the 2.5 engine will equal ring-land failure and that's heads off pistons out etc at BEST! (the above is the main reason I said in my original reply.. you really shouldn't be accelerating hard until it is mapped after fitting a decat)

Keep us posted how you get on.

PS... My car was road mapped for years.. never saw a dyno until I felt like finding out!

[Rdlangy1]

Originally Posted by Ginola

Spoke to him yesterday It's on the cards, he is flat out at the moment so don't know how far into the future it will be, this is something I'm quite interested in myself


Reminds me of a Mr Carbury talking to someone (who shall remain nameless) over on scabbynet having to ask him to take his name off of something he was selling as his own


To the OP, these kind of things are worth getting right first time, and spending a reasonable amount of money on. It's simply not worth making a £100 saving or more at all..,
The costs involved in getting it wrong don't really bare contemplating, a couple of clicks of bad det with the 2.5 engine will equal ring-land failure and that's heads off pistons out etc at BEST! (the above is the main reason I said in my original reply.. you really shouldn't be accelerating hard until it is mapped after fitting a decat)

Keep us posted how you get on.

PS... My car was road mapped for years.. never saw a dyno until I felt like finding out!

Sound advice right there

[thepieman]

Now! I will hold my hands up and say I don't know anywhere near as much as some of the others about remapping and the ins and outs of playing with bits within the ecu......! However! I know enough to not be wanting for me or anyone for that matter to be taking such a job to where the op has booked in...

If I'm reading this correctly?

You've removed the cats on your Subaru and you know that it requires a map tweak before driving it enthusiastically?

So you have booked in with a place that will sit with you whilst you put you car through it paces (not advised with current state of tune) and then let you go home until a map for your car is written to be uploaded at a later date?

Not the way to be going at all...... If your looking to save money until you do more in depth modifications ..... Put the old exhaust back on until you can get it mapped by one of the Subaru mappers about..

I done a quick Google search and it "appears" that they don't actually list Subaru in there list! Also looks to be a "tuning box" type company rather than a proper remap......


good luck with whatever way you go......

[dan1985]

Finally got my car booked in with Duncan from Racedynamix to remap my car on the 23rd!!! Can't wait to see what it's like using full boost!!

[Red Baron]

Glad to hear it. I know you have the exhaust and fuel pump sorted but have you changed the air filter yet? Something like a K&N or Green will give the best results, did you have any joy sourcing and intercooler?

Shane

[dan1985]

Yeah it's already got a k and n typhoon system installed. I spoke to Duncan and he said the standard Hawkeye tmic are fine up to about 300hp more than that then the sti tmic is good for up to nearly 400hp. Shame I couldn't get the injectors changed before but will wait till the turbo change for them now

[dan1985]

It's booked in for tomorrow! Even better!!

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by dan1985

Yeah it's already got a k and n typhoon system installed. I spoke to Duncan and he said the standard Hawkeye tmic are fine up to about 300hp more than that then the sti tmic is good for up to nearly 400hp. Shame I couldn't get the injectors changed before but will wait till the turbo change for them now

You would be better off with the standard airbox setup below 400hp it's very very good The only reason to replace it is if your fitting a front mount or want lots more intake noise. It's quite probable you will lose power with the typhoon vs standard airbox with k&n panel filter or similar.

Good luck for tomorrow looking forward to hearing the results.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by dan1985

Shame I couldn't get the injectors changed before but will wait till the turbo change for them now

Injectors on the Hawk WRX are the same size as STi @ 550cc, a little larger then a 2001-2005 WRX @ 420cc

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Ginola

You would be better off with the standard airbox setup below 400hp it's very very good The only reason to replace it is if your fitting a front mount or want lots more intake noise. It's quite probable you will lose power with the typhoon vs standard airbox with k&n panel filter or similar.

Good luck for tomorrow looking forward to hearing the results.

Agree(ish), K&N or Green panel filter upto 300BHP. Perfect for the standard Turbo.
Above 350 is when you need to consider an induction kit or the airbox starts to become a restriction.

I hate the sound mine makes but it gave me 20-25BHP as I had hit the restriction. But the restriction kicks in sooner on the classic (around 300)

[dan1985]

I like the sound the typhoon makes it complements my dv!!! I know some of you will say "chav boy racer etc" but I love the sound of them both together! Just can't wait to be able to use the Rev range in all the gears!!! Bloody over boost!

[dan1985]

Well well well what can I say, Duncan is an electronic wizard!!!! Just got back from him working his magic on my Hawkeye. Over boost totally under control, check! Turbo spoil up much earlier in rev range and holding, check! More power, check! More torque, check! And to top it all off LAUNCH CONTROL!!! Although not used it yet....... Totally different car easily the best money spent on the car will never use another tuner as long as he's working!!! Told it should be 280hp and 350 torque so very pleased. Either way a lot quicker than it was!!!

[Red Baron]

Glad it went ok, how long before the quest for more power results in a new turbo?

Shane

[NL03Scooby]

Glad you had a productive day and the results you were after, how does your clutch feel about the words 'launch control'

[dan1985]

I think the clutch is hiding somewhere in the boot out of sight!!! As for power the mark for it has always been 360hp. I spoke with Duncan gave a list of parts I was going to buy, larger tmic, injectors, sc38 turbo, 3 port boost, already got a 255 fuel pump. He told me he has no worries with getting my car to 350-360 safely and easily with just a vf43 or vf46 turbo. He said not to waste money on the other bits as he has a lot of confidence in the Hawkeye 2.5 engine more than the previous 2.0 ones! So no tmic no injectors and no 3 port boost will be where I want in by the summer hopefully!!

[dan1985]

He said although the wrx tmic looks small it is extremely effective and already has the sti injectors as standard

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by dan1985

He said already has the sti injectors as standard

As on post #33 above

I'm glad you listened to us and are happy with the result.
Did you go to him or did he road map it locally.

[dan1985]

I went to him in Bournemouth and he road mapped it for me. Can only do the rollers no to fri depending on location. Can't take time off wrks don't get paid. When the turbo is done then I'll take a day off and meet him at Surrey rollers. Thanks for all the advice and help guys appreciate it!

[dan1985]

Cars off to Duncan again for a little tweek on the map and then a dyno blast at Surrey tomoz! Nice to see what it's actually running!

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by dan1985

Cars off to Duncan again for a little tweek on the map and then a dyno blast at Surrey tomoz! Nice to see what it's actually running!

Good luck..

[dan1985]

Just got back from Surrey rolling road got a very healthy 285 bhp and 350 torque!!! Not bad considering there's no turbo heat shield fitted, wonder how effective they actually are???

[dan1985]

Im sure the more you tune the more you'll need one, but for anyone going my level the results speak for themselves

[Red Baron]

Just goes to show how much more torque you get from the 2.5, mine is 251bhp at 250ft/lb.

[dan1985]

Yeah Duncan did say he prefers the 2.5 engine because of how tunable they are

[SpecB]

How much boost are you running and how fast does it spool? The 2.5 is a great engine for a road car as the torque is incredible!

[dan1985]

I've tried getting the pic of the print outs on here but can't seem to do it from my phone. Looks like it's max boost at 1.75 - 1.8 bar