Pic of Ring Crash

Anger · #1 07-06-2010, 08:58 PM

We had just seen that STi refuelling in the garage

Scott.T · #2 07-06-2010, 09:40 PM

I can't work out what the red car is

Anger · #3 07-06-2010, 09:41 PM

200sx with roof cut off

Steve_PPP · #4 07-06-2010, 09:45 PM

jesus, what a mess

god knows how someone got that photo. Guess they were worried about back injuries for the person in the red car.

And yes, i remember looking at the STI in the garage in Adenau probably only 20 minutes earlier.

Steve_PPP · #5 07-06-2010, 09:47 PM

is it me or does the beemer pointing the wrong way look all twisted at the back?

Anger · #6 07-06-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

is it me or does the beemer pointing the wrong way look all twisted at the back?

yeah it does... the M5 in the back ground caused the whole thing

DukeBoy · #7 07-06-2010, 10:00 PM

Someone will be getting a nice bill very soon then!!!

Scott.T · #8 07-06-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anger

yeah it does... the M5 in the back ground caused the whole thing

Whats the story re; the M5 then.
Looks like british plates.

Anger · #9 07-06-2010, 10:16 PM

Blew a front brake line and came off, tried to stop others by waving hands but as its a fast bit of the track/road it was to late and the rest hit each other with the subaru t boning the 200sx and breaking the passengers pelvis bone in two places

From what ive read

Steve_PPP · #10 07-06-2010, 10:19 PM

Story is that the M5 lost a load of oil/fluid, some of the cars following went straight off the road. Had a look on Northloop and the people involved actually praise the driver of the M5 - apparently he pulled off straight away and went running back down the track to wave/slow down people whilst his passenger phoned for emergency services - stopped a lot more (but not everyone) from ending up in the barrier.

edit/ too slow this evening, posts are flying in

(and i skim read most of the info on Northloop, it was 26 pages, so excuse me if i've stated some random hearsay!)

#11 08-06-2010, 08:37 AM

As you say James, that car was in Adenau getting fuel just before. Thats quite scary. I'm just glad we went for lunch before trying to get out on track now, it could so easily have been one of us.

You can now see why it was closed for the whole day.

As I said at the track when they shut it for the day, it pales into insignificance the fact I never got a dry lap in. Some poor bugger is far worse off than me not getting a lap.

I have not read the thread yet, but they say the M5 driver faces a 100,000 euro bill minimum.

Chunk · #12 08-06-2010, 08:52 AM

Looks nasty

Hope the beemer driver has deep pockets

Steve_PPP · #13 08-06-2010, 09:09 AM

Jesus, 100,000 euros

Where would he sit with insurances companies covering those costs, with/without proper trackday cover? Would standard insurance(i.e. no special trackday cover) still cover 3rd party costs if there was nothing specifically excluding the Ring in their terms or conditions?

#14 08-06-2010, 09:27 AM

Hopefully Moley may be able to answer that. It would be interesting to know what the core was.

He was probably one of the 99% uninsured round there and would be held personally responsible. Thats the risk you take doing it uninsured.

Lucky · #15 08-06-2010, 09:47 AM

Scary stuff. Definately insurance for me, and many more laps next year!

Hongkongfooi · #16 08-06-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky

Scary stuff. Definately insurance for me, and many more laps next year!

Hongkongfooi · #17 08-06-2010, 10:03 AM

wonder if he wants to sell his wheels!

Moley_WRX · #18 08-06-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by worzel

Hopefully Moley may be able to answer that. It would be interesting to know what the core was.

He was probably one of the 99% uninsured round there and would be held personally responsible. Thats the risk you take doing it uninsured.

Very grey area.

If they do pay out to the 3rd party they probably take him to court to re-coup the costs. Unless he's very (very) lucky.

Anger · #19 08-06-2010, 10:39 AM

As the Germans dont class it as a track... The police will want your european Insurance and not track insurance surely, track insurance isnt going to cover the other cars is it ???

Lucky · #20 08-06-2010, 10:50 AM

Horrible to think that we were all looking at that impreza in the garage filling up and then and hour or so later its totalled.

#21 08-06-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anger

As the Germans dont class it as a track... The police will want your european Insurance and not track insurance surely, track insurance isnt going to cover the other cars is it ???

This is the grey area for most people. Some say it would be the European Insurance, some the track insurance. If it's European Insurance thats required, surely you wouldn't bother with the track insurance.

This is where I think that Nurburgring as a copration should once and for all state what is actually required on track, no grey areas. They need to make it more difficult for people to buy lap tickets, you should not just be able to pitch up and buy them without some kind of documentation. No one is ever even asked if they have a licence. How ****ing scary is that?

The trouble is, as a corporation, they will never want to slow the process down of getting loads of people out on track as quickly as possible, as it's too big a money spinner for them.

#22 08-06-2010, 11:37 AM

We now know that if the air rade siren goes off, its a bloomin bad one.

C. J. · #23 08-06-2010, 11:44 AM

All i'd say is i'd prefer to be belt and braces on the insurance side
£60 or 100'000 euros , bit of a no brainer !

#24 08-06-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by C. J.

All i'd say is i'd prefer to be belt and braces on the insurance side
£60 or 100'000 euros , bit of a no brainer !

For the sake of £60.00 it's not even an option in my book. Just get it done.

Anger · #25 08-06-2010, 11:48 AM

According to a German on pistonheads your track insurance will get you i
know where with the German police CJ

#26 08-06-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowman

We now know that if the air rade siren goes off, its a bloomin bad one.

We do that.

Moley_WRX · #27 08-06-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anger

According to a German on pistonheads your track insurance will get you i
know where with the German police CJ

Really not worth taking the chance for the sake of £60

I speak to different underwriters all the time, and i know they'll do anything to get out of a claim at the Nurburgring enless you have track cover in place.

I know of one guy who has just got a £40k bill for armco as his insurers have thrown his claim out. (not someone we insure BTW)

Anger · #28 08-06-2010, 01:31 PM

Yeah i know that Gary, have you had any claims as you insure so many scoobs ?

Oh and i need to sort some for the 27th July with you mate

#29 08-06-2010, 01:43 PM

There seems to be an endless amount of contradiction where ever you look into this. I personally would not want to risk not having it in place.

It needs Nurburgring as a corporation to state publicly exactly what the ring is. Is it a race track or is it a public road. I was talking with James earlier and as he rightly said, if you go to Brands (or Any Other) you have track insurance for the time you spend on track and then your normal everyday insurance kicks in the second you go out of the gates. It is that black and white, and it should be the same at the ring IMHO.

Moley_WRX · #30 08-06-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anger

Yeah i know that Gary, have you had any claims as you insure so many scoobs ?

Oh and i need to sort some for the 27th July with you mate

Touch wood (and without wanting to tempt fate) we haven't have any Subaru claims at the Ring.

Might have to sort myself come cover for that date aswell!

Moley_WRX · #31 08-06-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by worzel

There seems to be an endless amount of contradiction where ever you look into this. I personally would not want to risk not having it in place.

It needs Nurburgring as a corporation to state publicly exactly what the ring is. Is it a race track or is it a public road. I was talking with James earlier and as he rightly said, if you go to Brands (or Any Other) you have track insurance for the time you spend on track and then your normal everyday insurance kicks in the second you go out of the gates. It is that black and white, and it should be the same at the ring IMHO.

Once they state it is a track the amount of people using it would drop, as they wouldn't want to risk it knowing 100% they weren't insured.

The problem is that everyone who gets involved during a claim know it's a track, starting at the brokers like me, going though the underwriters, and finally if it goes to court most judges will also know exactly what the Ring is.

#32 08-06-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX

Once they state it is a track the amount of people using it would drop, as they wouldn't want to risk it knowing 100% they weren't insured.

The problem is that everyone who gets involved during a claim know it's a track, starting at the brokers like me, going though the underwriters, and finally if it goes to court most judges will also know exactly what the Ring is.

And there lies the problem mate. Everyone knows what it is. But always in the dim and distant corner is that comment about "Toll Road" just waiting to bite your arse

The second Nurburgring state it, you are 100% right, things will drop off like a stone. I was speaking to my son in law the other day, and there has been a problem with a couple of guys he works with, pitching up in the work van and hooning round there. Thats the sort of thing you would not have to worry about at Spa for instance.

I think it's almost an "accepted risk" that we all take when we go round the ring, that if it went tits up it could be a bit smelly.

C. J. · #33 08-06-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anger

According to a German on pistonheads your track insurance will get you i
know where with the German police CJ

come again ?

Anger · #34 08-06-2010, 04:17 PM

The German police class it as a road, they couldnt give a **** about your track insurance and will sometimes ask for your credit card there and then..... Yes its better to have track insurance, but dont think that will leave you fully protected

AndyWRX · #35 08-06-2010, 04:54 PM

Thats gonna be expensive for the beamer driver, supprising the 200 held up as well as it did, there not the best built cars

Mr Wagon · #36 09-06-2010, 10:48 PM

I see the white car has a roll cage, but on closer inspection is that number plate EVO77 ?

Steve_PPP · #37 09-06-2010, 11:41 PM

yep, the scoob was on plate EVO77. Saw several cars over there like that - a Focus RS with EVO on as well. People change cars, but keep their private plates....

Steve_PPP · #38 10-06-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MrX???

This sort of incident does make you wonder if its all worth it!

Have to agree, it would be much better if it was changed and considered a proper track, but its just such a money-maker for the parent company.

They've got folk like us by the danglies - it is an amazing place and i'd go back tomorrow and do it all over again. Although i might consider track cover this time

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