Swirls central

[Mad Paddy]

got to say im shocked at the level of swirl mark and little scratch marks whick i think were caused by the cat jane adopted last year

following from pieman instuctions i set upon my P1

car was snow foamed,dryed detarred and washed with washing up liquid (fairy as i sensitive hands) and dryed of again to show up it glorypics arent the greatest but you get the idea









theres not 1panel on the P1 that doesnt have a swirl mark
the heat is killing my progress at the monent even the clay bar has melted,so there isnt any way im going to attempt to mask it up and machine polish

to be continued

[thepieman]

Can't wait for the update Phil

A good clean really does bring up the defects that get covered by some of the products people use on their cars. Proper hot one today, so very wise not to hit it too hard today

[Mad Paddy]

i know the claybar actually melted in the sun,
hoping to get part 2 under way in day or 2 time,brain telling me to finnish it

[munk]

Can tell you used fairy mate
Was going to buff the one earlier aswell... Decided it was to hot also ended up in garden beer in hand BBQ blazing... Car can wait.

[AndyWRX]

I use washing up liquid sometimes, don't normally use it when I use snow foam but then I have 2 different types lol the swirls don't look too bad but the difference afterwords looks like its gonna be amazing, keep us posted mate

[Mad Paddy]

just after giving its 1st pass with the polisher,very impressed with it.
il be posting up pics at the end of the wk

[AndyWRX]

Excellent mate, do some 50/50's really shows the difference

[Skullfudge]

Nice one Phif.

Looking forward to seeing your progress.

Great club for first hand advice here buddy !

[thepieman]

Originally Posted by AndyWRX

Excellent mate, do some 50/50's really shows the difference

Noooooooooooo 50/50's

[Mad Paddy]

sorry chaps,never came into my head about 50/50 shots

little teaser

[AndyWRX]

Originally Posted by ThePieman

Noooooooooooo 50/50's

How come mate? I've always done 50/50's with a DA and never had a problem, wouldn't consider it with a rotary though as its more harsh

[AndyWRX]

Excellent pics mate, looks like a lot of works gone into that, nice deep glossy finish, what products did you use?

[Mad Paddy]

2hours gone into just the drivers side so far,

polishing pad,with gtechniqsP1 polish.so far no need for compounding

[thepieman]

Originally Posted by AndyWRX

How come mate? I've always done 50/50's with a DA and never had a problem, wouldn't consider it with a rotary though as its more harsh

If you take readings with your paint guage, you'll see that when you do the second pass to reduce the unworked side, you further reduce the area that you've already finished! You end up with a much reduced area where you cut up to for the 50/50 (normaly a tape line) Even with a DA your ending up with an area with a much reduced level! compared to the rest of the panel / area!

Amazes me why people do it? you effectivly add a depth defect by doing so!! A safer way is to set up a camera and take photos as you go along.... befores/durings and afters......

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Great work Phil, looks like you getting a great result better to take your time and get it right, than rush and balls it up.........

[Mad Paddy]

thanks to your wisdom,its looking like this ron

[AndyWRX]

Originally Posted by ThePieman

If you take readings with your paint guage, you'll see that when you do the second pass to reduce the unworked side, you further reduce the area that you've already finished! You end up with a much reduced area where you cut up to for the 50/50 (normaly a tape line) Even with a DA your ending up with an area with a much reduced level! compared to the rest of the panel / area!

Amazes me why people do it? you effectivly add a depth defect by doing so!! A safer way is to set up a camera and take photos as you go along.... befores/durings and afters......

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Great work Phil, looks like you getting a great result better to take your time and get it right, than rush and balls it up.........

I defiantly see where your coming from but wouldn't you get the same with overlapping passes? Besides it gets overlapped with other compounds to the desired requirement so in the end the paint level is even, ive never had a problem with it before and lots of other detailers use the same process. I guess everyone has there own technique

[thepieman]

No! As you know, paint depth readings are an average of numerous readings taken over the worked area. You therefore cannot 'level' the finish! It would be unwise to do so.

Working on the principal that you should only remove the bare minimum necessary to correct or enhance a finish, good technique and sufficient paint readings across a worked area mean you only work any given area as is needed to get the desired result....

The difference between normal passes and cutting a 'line' is a huge difference, your right though that there's lots of people out there that set up and work 50/50 shots! And go on to end up with a great looking finish but! Everyone should be looking to provide the best finish whilst not reducing the paint finishes to do so.

You know yourself that there's plenty of techniques and tricks out there , so long as there's as little degradation of the paint finish whilst doing the work, then alls good.

Next car you get that has fairly equal readings on opposite panels, say both rear quarters, take some readings after a normal correction and a 50/50 you'll be surprised

Don't forget to IPA prior to taking the readings.

Well have to get together and throw some ideas about over a beer sometime

Sorry Phil, we've gone a bit OCD

[Mad Paddy]

not an update,

just back from walk with jd and notice a mark on drivers side quater
and it wasnt their before hand and no 1 around.

[AndyWRX]

As said before in your other thread mate it's a real shame hope you can get it sorted though