Rolling Road day at Surrey Rolling Road 5th July 2014

[Rdlangy1]

Steve - me and Sean will meet you at cobham bout 8:15 if that's ok??? Follow you round to SRR?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Running order is flexible, but it normally makes sense to do all the scoobs together as it sames adjusting the wheelbase on the rollers each time

Anyone fancy meeting at the Cobham services on the M25 at 8:15am to convoy over? Its about a 30 minute run from there (and they have a Shell garage).

Sounds good to me.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Rdlangy1

Follow you round to SRR?

You won't want to follow me, I'll be in a diesel

Unless I get a lift with someone else i guess....

[555_Si]

I can pick you up in the golf if you are willing to cross over to the darkside lol.

[Rdlangy1]

Well I have an empty car besides me!!! ha ha ha - although you'd have to gimme your address and tell me how far from Cobham services you are e.t.c.

Ryan

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

You won't want to follow me, I'll be in a diesel

Unless I get a lift with someone else i guess....

More than welcome to jump in with me Steve if you need a lift. I will be passing BH anyway.

There you go, 3 lifts!!!!!

[Scott.T]

Change of Plan and my Brugge Trip is now off......
Therefore I'm back on the list.

Just spoke to 'E' and he is coming too........

1. Rdlangy1
2. Andy-M
3. Wagon_Si - (Golf R32)
4. Wagon_Jo - (Jaguar)
5. Rdlangy1's Mate Sean (Nissan 200sx) - If welcome ?
6. Scoobie_paul
7. Moley_WRX (assuming I've picked the car up)
8. Big "E"
9. SilverSurfer
10. Ginola
11. Wagon_Si - Focus ST (Toni)
12. Red Baron - Will have to be away earlyish though as it's beer festival night
13. Lucky
14. E1bert
15. Mortster ( Not sure what in yet )
16. Scooby doo
17. Scrappy doo !

[Scott.T]

Not sure about meeting at 'Cobham'.
My usual route when on business is M25, A3, Hog's Back, then Aldershot/Farnborough. It's pretty easy and gets you off M23 ASAP.

[Steve_PPP]

Originally Posted by Lucky

More than welcome to jump in with me Steve if you need a lift. I will be passing BH anyway.

There you go, 3 lifts!!!!!

Nice one Steve, I'll let you know. Not sure if i'll need to leave mid-afternoon so might need to be in the diesel anyway, but if not then a lift would be good if you're passing this way

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Not sure about meeting at 'Cobham'.
My usual route when on business is M23, A3, Hog's Back, then Aldershot/Farnborough. It's pretty easy and gets you off M23 ASAP.

You mean M25 then A3? The Cobham services are before the M25/A3 junction so you'll be driving past??

[Red Baron]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

You mean M25 then A3? The Cobham services are before the M25/A3 junction so you'll be driving past??

He's right you know

8:15 at Cobham for a Starbucks and an 8:30 departure then.

Shane

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Nice one Steve, I'll let you know. Not sure if i'll need to leave mid-afternoon so might need to be in the diesel anyway, but if not then a lift would be good if you're passing this way



You mean M25 then A3? The Cobham services are before the M25/A3 junction so you'll be driving past??

Yes M25, then A3

I thought Cobham were between A3 and M3...my bad.....

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Change of Plan and my Brugge Trip is now off......
Therefore I'm back on the list.

Just spoke to 'E' and he is coming too........

1. Rdlangy1
2. Andy-M
3. Wagon_Si - (Golf R32)
4. Wagon_Jo - (Jaguar)
5. Rdlangy1's Mate Sean (Nissan 200sx) - If welcome ?
6. Scoobie_paul
7. Moley_WRX (assuming I've picked the car up)
8. Big "E"
9. SilverSurfer
10. Ginola
11. Wagon_Si - Focus ST (Toni)
12. Red Baron - Will have to be away earlyish though as it's beer festival night
13. Lucky
14. E1bert
15. Mortster ( Not sure what in yet )
16. Scooby doo
17. Scrappy doo !

Fantastic

[Rdlangy1]

Well me and sean will be at Cobham services - and follow "the large bunch of scoobies" then...pmsl

[Rdlangy1]

Also - being my first one - can I check - the £35 - does that include a print out of how badly my car does !?!? pmsl ?!?

[scoobie_paul]

Might not make it my rad decided to split
On route home from work today "gutted" I've ordered a new one but won't have it to fit until sat ! If I can get it done quick can I still come a bit later ?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by scoobie_paul

Might not make it my rad decided to split
On route home from work today "gutted" I've ordered a new one but won't have it to fit until sat ! If I can get it done quick can I still come a bit later ?

That's a gutter mate. Come along any time. I guess peeps will be there well into the afternoon.

[scoobie_paul]

fingers crossed I can get it done in time ! I really wanted to meet everyone and get it on the rolling road it's pretty stock but would be good to know what base I have so I know what benefits I get from future changes !

[C. J.]

Best to come down the m3 rather than the A3 but up to you guys as I'm coming cross country

[555_Si]

Originally Posted by scoobie_paul

Might not make it my rad decided to split
On route home from work today "gutted" I've ordered a new one but won't have it to fit until sat ! If I can get it done quick can I still come a bit later ?

rads are easy to change over on scoob. 30 mins max I would say

[andy-m]

Originally Posted by Wagon_Si

rads are easy to change over on scoob. 30 mins max I would say

Depends on how much rust on the fan bolts. Mine was an ars3!!!

[Banstead Stig]

Originally Posted by C. J.

Best to come down the m3 rather than the A3 but up to you guys as I'm coming cross country

I don't know about that.

The less time on the M25 the better!

Once set off for Dan's from Banstead an hour after a chap from Epsom and arrived an hour before him.

He went on the M25 & M3, whereas I went on the A3, A31 and A331.

Extreme example, but it's always put me off!

[scoobie_paul]

Originally Posted by Wagon_Si

rads are easy to change over on scoob. 30 mins max I would say

Hopefully your right Si 😉
I can pick it up sat around 9 so may be good still !!

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

I don't know about that.

The less time on the M25 the better!

Once set off for Dan's from Banstead an hour after a chap from Epsom and arrived an hour before him.

He went on the M25 & M3, whereas I went on the A3, A31 and A331.

Extreme example, but it's always put me off!

That time on a Saturday it'll be fine

[NorthDownsScooby]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Yes M25, then A3

I thought Cobham were between A3 and M3...my bad.....

Nope, just east of the A3.
As the services are accessible from both sides of the m/way, you can effectively use the services turn-off as an extra junction on the motorway... so can approach from the west and return west for example without going down to J9.

[Rdlangy1]

Right won't be on before tomorrow so just thought id wish everyone safe journey, and see you all tomorrow...Whoever is meeting at Cobham, ill be the blue bugeye parked next to green Nissan 200sx - see ya!

[555_Si]

see you guys there, I am flying back to UK tonight so will probably miss you guys at Chobham, need every minute of sleep I can get before I fly back out Sunday. Heavy drinking session last night and a sleep deprived week has almost got the better of me.

[Ginola]

I'm afraid I can no longer make this as have to work this weekend

Have a good one guys and hope to see you all soon.

1. Rdlangy1
2. Andy-M
3. Wagon_Si - (Golf R32)
4. Wagon_Jo - (Jaguar)
5. Rdlangy1's Mate Sean (Nissan 200sx) - If welcome ?
6. Scoobie_paul
7. Moley_WRX (assuming I've picked the car up)
8. Big "E"
9. SilverSurfer
10.
11. Wagon_Si - Focus ST (Toni)
12. Red Baron - Will have to be away earlyish though as it's beer festival night
13. Lucky
14. E1bert
15. Mortster ( Not sure what in yet )
16. Scooby doo
17. Scrappy doo !

[Red Baron]

Originally Posted by Wagon_Si

see you guys there, I am flying back to UK tonight so will probably miss you guys at Chobham, need every minute of sleep I can get before I fly back out Sunday. Heavy drinking session last night and a sleep deprived week has almost got the better of me.

I've still got your memory stick Si, I'll try and remember it. See you there.

[BIG"E"]

Originally Posted by Ginola

I'm afraid I can no longer make this as have to work

That is a shame,

I thought you was the boss..

You could let Wanda drive the scoob to the rollers..

[Steve_PPP]

For those meeting at the M25 Cobham services, we aim to be there at 8:15am (to leave by 8:30am).

We'll then meet up with everyone else from 9am at Surrey Rolling Road (postcode GU14 7QU).
http://www.surreyrollingroad.com/contact.php

See you all tomorrow

[andy-m]

already saved in my satnav. fitted a new MAF a few days ago and just changed my temperature sensor a few minuites ago so i'm ready fro the morning !!!!

[Banstead Stig]

Originally Posted by C. J.

That time on a Saturday it'll be fine

That was on a Saturday, but you're right, it should be better.

[C. J.]

The numbers on the units are all over the place and not in numerical order for those that have not been to the new place . If you follow sat navs and then when on invincible rd follow signs for invincible M.O.T. Your find srr 2 doors to the left

[ScoobyStu]

Gutted to be missing this, was really looking forward to it. Have a great day, see you all soon...

[Rdlangy1]

Ok I may have over estimated my travel time - I'm at cobham already! Pmsl

[Rdlangy1]

We're parked first right and right again as u come in services

[Hongkongfooi]

Overslept so sorry won't be there. Look forward to seeing the scores from the day

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by Hongkongfooi

Overslept so sorry won't be there. Look forward to seeing the scores from the day

Get in the car and see you soon

[Rdlangy1]

Well back from SRR - what a great day!!!
Big thanks to Charlie and C.J - great guys - and really know there stuff!
Was impressed with my own car considering its only got a back box and air filter (nothing done by me I might add - 281.1 hp (yes the .1 is important!) - more pleased that its running spot on, which means I have a great base to start from...

Was also fantastic to meet Big E, Steve PPP, Red Baron, Lucky, Wagon Si and Wagon Jo (nice cake!), Silver Surfer, and the others guys whom im sorry but im no good with names

Great bunch of people, and considering it was my first meet up with you all - you were all very kind. And thanks for showing my mate Sean courtesy aswell considering he was in a nissan ha ha ha

Ill get posting the pics up now - if anyone wants vids emailed of their motors on the rollers, I think I got everybodies, drop me a PM with your email addy.

Cheers

Ryan

[Rdlangy1]

pics now up in the appropriate section

[The Handbrake]

Originally Posted by BIG"E"

That is a shame,

I thought you was the boss..

You could let Wanda drive the scoob to the rollers..

Missed you all, yeah he is the boss but had no choice on this once with peeps being away. Dave has been a bit down over it. How did you all do?

[Rdlangy1]

281.1 - was shocked beyond belief !!!

Was great to meet everyone too...

[Red Baron]

Good to meet you Ryan, glad you were happy with your results, Seans 200sx was nice as well, need to bring your friends R33 as well next time.

More than happy with my 251bhp and 260ish ft/lb considering such minor mods.

Next job is to flush the clutch fluid as cooked it sitting in traffic on the A21, stupid idea to put the resevoir above the turbo.

[andy-m]

was good to meet everyone, but as this is probably only the 3rd SES meet I have been able to come to since I joined, there was only a few faces I recognized !

I got 274.1bhp but wouldn't rev over 5500RPM, so i guess i'll have to come to the next rolling road day after i've fixed that little problem.

[555_Si]

Good day thanks guys, and thanks for the happy birthday.

Disappointed with the 256 that my golf did, but confirmed what I thought in Germany. Happy with jo's jag at 158 with 275 ft lb. I can't imagine what they are like remapped as I thought it may have been done already.

[Rdlangy1]

I think I should have a rolling road birthday!!! Ha ha - nice cake too

[Rdlangy1]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

Good to meet you Ryan, glad you were happy with your results, Seans 200sx was nice as well, need to bring your friends R33 as well next time.

More than happy with my 251bhp and 260ish ft/lb considering such minor mods.

Next job is to flush the clutch fluid as cooked it sitting in traffic on the A21, stupid idea to put the resevoir above the turbo.

Traffic was bad on way home weren't it....yeah Sean was pleased and I'll try and get Jason to bring the r33 next time

[Banstead Stig]

Originally Posted by Wagon_Si

Good day thanks guys, and thanks for the happy birthday.

Disappointed with the 256 that my golf did, but confirmed what I thought in Germany. Happy with jo's jag at 158 with 275 ft lb. I can't imagine what they are like remapped as I thought it may have been done already.

Have you done anything to the Golf?

Sounds about right if not, maybe slightly up on standard... thought they were 245ish.

[555_Si]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

Have you done anything to the Golf?

Sounds about right if not, maybe slightly up on standard... thought they were 245ish.

Yeah it has been remapped, decatted, milltek exhaust and has seen 276bhp on Charlies rollers when not running right before and 288bhp on other rollers, we think it has cams, but I have a set of cams here to go in it, which I will probably look at now, as I am going to replace the head with a ported and flowed one and get it remapped again.

i'm thinking maybe my maf is old, also going to check compression when I get time.

[ScoobyStu]

Originally Posted by Rdlangy1

Well back from SRR - what a great day!!!
Big thanks to Charlie and C.J - great guys - and really know there stuff!
Was impressed with my own car considering its only got a back box and air filter (nothing done by me I might add - 281.1 hp (yes the .1 is important!) - more pleased that its running spot on, which means I have a great base to start from...

Was also fantastic to meet Big E, Steve PPP, Red Baron, Lucky, Wagon Si and Wagon Jo (nice cake!), Silver Surfer, and the others guys whom im sorry but im no good with names

Great bunch of people, and considering it was my first meet up with you all - you were all very kind. And thanks for showing my mate Sean courtesy aswell considering he was in a nissan ha ha ha

Ill get posting the pics up now - if anyone wants vids emailed of their motors on the rollers, I think I got everybodies, drop me a PM with your email addy.

Cheers

Ryan

Glad you had a good day mate. Everyone on here, that I've met anyway, is nice and friendly, it's a great community we have. Nice figures, let the slippery slope of modifications begin

[Banstead Stig]

:

Originally Posted by Wagon_Si

Yeah it has been remapped, decatted, milltek exhaust and has seen 276bhp on Charlies rollers when not running right before and 288bhp on other rollers, we think it has cams, but I have a set of cams here to go in it, which I will probably look at now, as I am going to replace the head with a ported and flowed one and get it remapped again.

i'm thinking maybe my maf is old, also going to check compression when I get time.

Ah, okay. Sounds like a good opportunity to do a bit more to it, just to make sure.

I'm quite interested in the R32. Been thinking about getting one!

[Ginola]

Glad you all had a good one, sorry once again I couldn't make it, really disappointed.. I will sort something sooner or later!

See you all soon.

[Rdlangy1]

Agreed! And figures were great considering it's only got a back box (that I know of!)

[scooby doo]

Lol glad you all had a good day, not so much for me ,left on route and the Datsun thought you know what will piss you off let's snap a cv joint lol!!!!


Upside been lent this lol

[Rdlangy1]

Ahhhh bad luck bud - but every cloud has a silver lining! Sweet evo

[Scott.T]

Twas a good day and nice to meet a few new peeps.
Most people went away happy and those that had issues at least found out.
They just need to find out why.
Better to be diagnosed 'not healthy' for £35 then suffer the consequences of an unknown/underlying issue.

[Lucky]

Great morning and good to see/meet everyone.

Really pleased with mine at 277 bhp considering it's totally standard and at least now I know it's running well and is a good base for further mods as I had no clue where it was power wise.

Thanks to Charlie and cj too

[Rdlangy1]

Did love ur scoob in black lucky... Don't think u can beat a black car

[EXEVO3]

Sounds like a great day.....good figures there....so who made the most ponys...?

[Steve_PPP]

Nice morning out even if I couldn't bring the scoob. Scoobydoo - wondered why you didn't show but a bust cv joint is a fair excuse

Was good to meet some more members too

[scooby doo]

Originally Posted by Steve_PPP

Nice morning out even if I couldn't bring the scoob. Scoobydoo - wondered why you didn't show but a bust cv joint is a fair excuse

Was good to meet some more members too

Yea gutted as she really needs a health check , managed to get a spare from a local guy (eBay) and swapped shaft over today, so evo back with with my bit and Datsun lives again lol,
100% on for next meet ,
So what's Charlie's place like now? Got to be better than the old place fact it has loos lol, and pics of the actuall place?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Rdlangy1

Did love ur scoob in black lucky... Don't think u can beat a black car

Thank you kind sir :

[Hongkongfooi]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Twas a good day and nice to meet a few new peeps.
Most people went away happy and those that had issues at least found out.
They just need to find out why.
Better to be diagnosed 'not healthy' for £35 then suffer the consequences of an unknown/underlying issue.

any figures then scott?

[Scott.T]

319BHP for mine which is down from the 335BHP in 2009 and 330BHP it had 'while on loan' back in 2011.

However, boost on the rollers was dropping to 1.1bar and it holds 1.4/1.35 pretty much to redline on the road (I've had to lift the rev limit from 7100rpm to 7300rpm for that very reason, as I kept hitting it).
My bum-o-meter tells me it's better on the road then on paper

[scooby doo]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

319BHP for mine which is down from the 335BHP in 2009 and 330BHP it had 'while on loan' back in 2011.

However, boost on the rollers was dropping to 1.1bar and it holds 1.4/1.35 pretty much to redline on the road (I've had to lift the rev limit from 7100rpm to 7300rpm for that very reason, as I kept hitting it).
My bum-o-meter tells me it's better on the road then on paper

Could strapping it down more help Scott?

[555_Si]

Yeah my golf has lost 20 odd bhp since last visit, so is it the cars or the rollers? Jo's jag was spot on if it is standard, but it may be chipped we don't know.

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by scooby doo

Could strapping it down more help Scott?

No idea mate, I'm not an expert on the in's/out's of rolling road setup.
But it's quite common for a road mapped car not to hit target boost on the rollers.
I think it's something to do with the loading. But as you say it could be down to strap tension.

It's also been know for some dyno mapped cars to then over-boost on the journey home, particularly on the motorway on 3/4's throttle.

My boost plot actually shows oscillation as it came on boost, so it was trying to hit target, but then gave up and ran slightly down on target.

In hindsight I probably should of sat in the car with Charlie (as I did back in 2009) and tweaked the boost duty to get it on target.....oh well maybe next time.

[C. J.]

Strapping down tight will reduce bhp . I strapped every one the same so nothing wrong there as some made more than they did before

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

Strapping down tight will reduce bhp . I strapped every one the same so nothing wrong there as some made more than they did before

Not blaming anyone Chris, just one of those things I guess.
If I ever stick a bigger blower on the car I may road map it then spend an 1/2 hour or so with Charlie to get a 'figure'.

[C. J.]

The dyno just tells the story it's up to poeple to except it . It's given a figure but not always the one poeple want to see

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

The dyno just tells the story it's up to poeple to except it . It's given a figure but not always the one poeple want to see

True, but I can see beyond the BHP figure.
Unfortunately some people can't (I'm not referring to anyone that was there BTW).

[scooby doo]

Great thing about dyno's forgetting numbers is the plot, being able to see what they are doing, helped me out loads with the old sti, I thought for ages that I had a leak but was down to more the previous mapper, jgm sorted that but it's allways worth getting them done like you guys saying good bases to start, and best place to go I SRR added bonus it's closest to us, but allways see cars that used Charlie's rollers

[Rdlangy1]

Slightly off topic here gents - now I know I have a nice base to start from, and over the next 6 months will progress down the slipperly slope of mods - when I have them all ready I obviously want to come back to Charlie and have it mapped, and re-run. Are JGM the most "used" mapper on here? Not trying to divide opinion or anything, and Im sure people have there own views, but wondered who I should be looking at for mapping, and which type - ECUtek?

Thanks

Ryan

[scooby doo]

You don't get much better than jgm mate,
Ease to deal with such a nice car, mapped most subaru's local to us, 1st time I used him he come straight to my door, done mapped annd transformed the car
Btw ask for pops and bangs you will want it trust me lol that kid inside you will say hell ya

[Rdlangy1]

pops and bangs ? pmsl !!! Is that anti lag or something?
And is that an ECUtek remap or one of the others? I see on his site he offers about 3-4 different make of map - with costs ranging dramatically! Any advise?

Ryan

[EXEVO3]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

319BHP for mine which is down from the 335BHP in 2009 and 330BHP it had 'while on loan' back in 2011.

However, boost on the rollers was dropping to 1.1bar and it holds 1.4/1.35 pretty much to redline on the road (I've had to lift the rev limit from 7100rpm to 7300rpm for that very reason, as I kept hitting it).
My bum-o-meter tells me it's better on the road then on paper

Still good numbers mate...and 1.4bar through the rev range is a fast classic..

[scooby doo]

Originally Posted by Rdlangy1

pops and bangs ? pmsl !!! Is that anti lag or something?
And is that an ECUtek remap or one of the others? I see on his site he offers about 3-4 different make of map - with costs ranging dramatically! Any advise?

Ryan

For yours ecutek map is spot on, pops and bangs on over run. Sounds like mild anti lag , loved it on my sti

[EXEVO3]

Originally Posted by Rdlangy1

pops and bangs ? pmsl !!! Is that anti lag or something?
And is that an ECUtek remap or one of the others? I see on his site he offers about 3-4 different make of map - with costs ranging dramatically! Any advise?

Ryan

JGM are also local to us bud....when I get my esl setup I will be useing jolly

[Ginola]

There are lots of mappers used by members on here all offering good a good service, for your newage car you could get it open source mapped and save on the cost of an ECUtek licence..

[C. J.]

Have seen open source & ecutek mapps done and think the extra for the licence fee is worth every penny ,with owners of cars done on open source being happy but then commenting once done on ecutek that the car drives smoother . As they say buy cheap buy twice .

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

Have seen open source & ecutek mapps done and think the extra for the licence fee is worth every penny ,with owners of cars done on open source being happy but then commenting once done on ecutek that the car drives smoother . As they say buy cheap buy twice .

Sorry but thats placebo.
The different methods are just tools to edit parameters/tables.
Much like a document can have a paragraph editted in Microsoft Office or Open Office.
What you end up with is an editted document in the same format as the original regardless of application used.

[C. J.]

Disagree it's placebo cars have had smoother afr's for a start

[Rdlangy1]

As always I appreciate all the feedback and Info

[Ginola]

Why would the car drive any differently because of ECUtek software? The standard ecu is very capable, with 3d boost mapping and plenty of correction tables, surely there is not a need to flash the ecu with 3rd party software to map it properly..it is a choice surely?

Driving smoothly and properly being more down to how long is spent developing the individual map on the car?
You can't say that Andy Carr, Neil and Duncan etc don't do a smooth map because it's open source that would imply that Subaru where wrong with there ecu design and ECUtek did a better job?.. Just my two cents. Very happy with my open source map, plenty of track days done with it as well.

[Scott.T]

With the exception of carberry, racerom etc......which have been developed to add additional maps/pub talk features, the 'code' running in an ecutek map and open source map is still the subaru developed 'running code'.

If you were to take all the tuning maps from an ecutek flashed/licensed ecu and paste them into an open source tool then flash the same car/ecu they would perform identically and vica versa.

At the end of the day its just a look up table. The ecu contains many of these tables of different resolution that the 'running code' uses.The key is to get all of the tables 'mapped' accross to work with each other. Hence the term mapping. The tuner is not re-writting the running code.

Doing a byte by byte comparison on an ecutek map, open source map or even a prodrive map would confirm that they are based on standard ROM images with just the maps, limits and diagnostic trouble codes modified.

The reason for smother afr in you example is solely down to the accuracy of the map (not the tool used to define the parameters), the position of the lambda in the exhaust vortex, the airflow through and over the car and the age/speed of the afr probe being used.

[Scott.T]

If we were comparing OE ECU to Syvecs or whatever the latest ECU of the day is I would appreciate that one may be quicker/smoother/different to the other even with the same target boost, ignition timing and afr rules applied.

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

If we were comparing OE ECU to Syvecs or whatever the latest ECU of the day is I would appreciate that one may be quicker/smoother/different to the other even with the same target boost, ignition timing and afr rules applied.

Wouldn't mind a Syvecs for Christmas

[C. J.]

You could look at it another way . Why would the mappers who use EcuTek and charge more and earn no more than those that don't !
As for some of the reason some mappers don't use EcuTek ,that would because EcuTek won't give them a dealership .

[Scott.T]

Why do ecutek users use ecutek....because they get the backup of ecutek rather then have to learn about or correct an issue within the open sorce community.
Some open source mappers are not just mappers but very intelligent individuals with similar skill sets to ecutek staff.

I'm not saying one is better than the other and I don't give a stuff what monies end up in the mappers pocket. I'm more concerned how much money is left in the customers pocket.

You may dig at certain open source mappers but I have also interigated an ecutek'd ecu. It was 'custom' mapped for a 2.5 engine and turbo swap and mapped in 8 minutes !!!!! as the tool I have logs every reflash from 1999 to date.
The owner who left the car with them all day was relieved of £650.

[C. J.]

At least it didn't take 2 weeks to mapp!

[Scott.T]

Originally Posted by C. J.

At least it didn't take 2 weeks to mapp!

Well if thats a dig and what I think. All I will say is do your research on 'A/F Learning #1 D' and answer how a rolling road tune in 8 minutes would deal with that..........I'll save you the trouble......you would never spot any major variation as a potential issue.

[Banstead Stig]

So, there you go Ryan. Nice and simple!

Right then, brakes and tyres next...

[Ginola]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

So, there you go Ryan. Nice and simple!

Right then, brakes and tyres next...

[C. J.]

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Well if thats a dig and what I think.

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[Bytes]

Originally Posted by Banstead Stig

So, there you go Ryan. Nice and simple!

Right then, brakes and tyres next...

No need, mine made 447 on budget tyres

[EXEVO3]

Originally Posted by Bytes

No need, mine made 447 on budget tyres

Brave!! Lol

[Granby]

Originally Posted by C. J.

At least it didn't take 2 weeks to mapp!

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Well if thats a dig and what I think. All I will say is do your research on 'A/F Learning #1 D' and answer how a rolling road tune in 8 minutes would deal with that..........I'll save you the trouble......you would never spot any major variation as a potential issue.

i would prefer a 2 week map to a 8 min map

[Rdlangy1]

Oh I'm so glad I asked....ha ha ha - didn't mean to ruffles peeps feathers - was mearly trying to get info....I appreciate everyone's opinion and thank you all for your views it's all good info to me....I respect everyone's individual skills and wouldn't knock anyone else...

Silver surfer - did lolly manage to email that YouTube vid?

C.j - thanks for your help on the day

Like I've said - was good to meet everyone that went

[turbotime]

Scott, good power and 15HP could just be heat soak, temperature being blown in the front (or lack of it compared to the road) and load differences on the rollers at that instance.

Was desperate to attend but was on Marks stag do.